From a gun forum:
Just bought a P38 and the serial number is not correct. They combined the real serial number and the number from the mismatched barrel assembly and left off the letter suffix. This is the third handgun I have bought that had a mistake on the registration.
Tuesday, December 20, 2011
Wednesday, November 23, 2011
Suffering from a "registry glitch"
I also suffer from a registry 'glitch'. I inherited my dads guns so we transferred every gun registered to him to me and I took the lot of guns. Turns out he had 1 more registered to him that is now in my name but the gun doesn't exist.
It is a non-existent make with no serial # which I eventually figured out was because one of the rifles was registered twice, the second time being based off of some marking on the buttstock.
So I called the registry to explain the error and have it corrected.... NOPE. The registry doesn't make mistakes I am told.
If I want that gun removed from my name in the registry I must call the police and report it stolen. They will remove it only once I submit the police report. I explained that it is a crime to fraudulently report a crime to which they told me that is the only way they will remove the non-existent gun from my name.
It is a non-existent make with no serial # which I eventually figured out was because one of the rifles was registered twice, the second time being based off of some marking on the buttstock.
So I called the registry to explain the error and have it corrected.... NOPE. The registry doesn't make mistakes I am told.
If I want that gun removed from my name in the registry I must call the police and report it stolen. They will remove it only once I submit the police report. I explained that it is a crime to fraudulently report a crime to which they told me that is the only way they will remove the non-existent gun from my name.
Tuesday, November 22, 2011
Registered twice
Thankfully the end is near:
A reply;
I had to register a rifle twice as when i sent in the ifo the forst time, i never got the registration certificate, and when i enquired was told they never got the form, but i had made copies of the forms before I sent them in, so i guess what i sent got lost on a desk some where. also another rifle I registered, I got in the mail a letter and a number, this number I was to stamp, etch on the rifle. when I enquired again about this number I was told that there was no serial number to the rifle, but i told them there was and that i had copies of the paper work that I had sent in. Now get this, I was told that one reson was that this type of rifle had been produced so many times that the serial numbers where repeating themselves, and thats what I had to put this number on the rifle, and LOL get this, i was also told that maybe the scanner did not pick up the information I had sent in. So I redid the paper work and got it registered with out having to put new numbers on the rifle.
Monday, October 24, 2011
The end is near!!
It's the beginning of the end for the Long Gun Registry. The bill has been tabled, we will have to see what other gems lurk within the wording. the question now is will the police respect the will of Parliament and not try to keep a secret registry. http://parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?Pub=NoticeOrder&Mode=1&Language=E&Parl=41&Ses=1&File=4
| No. 2 | No 2 |
| October 21, 2011 — The Minister of Public Safety — Bill entitled “An Act to amend the Criminal Code and the Firearms Act”. | 21 octobre 2011 — Le ministre de la Sécurité publique — Projet de loi intitulé « Loi modifiant le Code criminel et la Loi sur les armes à feu ». |
Sunday, October 16, 2011
Focus on real solutions to violence
Thought this letter really hit the nail on the head, I have bolded the part that is relevant.
Focus on real solutions to violence
Re: "Gun registry keeps women safe," Oct. 8.http://www.thewhig.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=3327948
I was very disappointed to read this letter.
Supporters of the gun registry can't seem to keep their story straight. First they told us that the registry was needed for public safety. When that was debunked, they told us it was necessary for police officer safety. Since that was proven false, now they are telling us that the registry is needed for the safety of abused women.
In 2006, according to Statistics Canada, a mere 0.75% of all violent crimes, including spousal violence, were committed using a registered firearm. Given that such a tiny fraction of violent crimes involve registered guns, are we really expected to that the gun registry is such a useful tool in cases of domestic violence?
Why should legal gun owners be held accountable when legal guns are almost never used to commit a crime? If anyone should be held accountable, it's gun registry supporters. Instead of working toward real solutions to a complex problem, they have raised one false flag after another.
Instead of educating and empowering young women and teaching them how to avoid abusive relationships, gun control advocates have painted them as helpless victims of men and guns. All they have done is drive a wedge between the sexes and alienate the good men who are willing to help.
It's time to stop focusing on guns and start working toward real solutions to violence in our society.
A little update taken from a thread on CGN. some useful info.
Focus on real solutions to violence
Re: "Gun registry keeps women safe," Oct. 8.http://www.thewhig.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=3327948
I was very disappointed to read this letter.
Supporters of the gun registry can't seem to keep their story straight. First they told us that the registry was needed for public safety. When that was debunked, they told us it was necessary for police officer safety. Since that was proven false, now they are telling us that the registry is needed for the safety of abused women.
In 2006, according to Statistics Canada, a mere 0.75% of all violent crimes, including spousal violence, were committed using a registered firearm. Given that such a tiny fraction of violent crimes involve registered guns, are we really expected to that the gun registry is such a useful tool in cases of domestic violence?
Why should legal gun owners be held accountable when legal guns are almost never used to commit a crime? If anyone should be held accountable, it's gun registry supporters. Instead of working toward real solutions to a complex problem, they have raised one false flag after another.
Instead of educating and empowering young women and teaching them how to avoid abusive relationships, gun control advocates have painted them as helpless victims of men and guns. All they have done is drive a wedge between the sexes and alienate the good men who are willing to help.
It's time to stop focusing on guns and start working toward real solutions to violence in our society.
A little update taken from a thread on CGN. some useful info.
Bottom line, of 38,000 or so reported incidents of domestic violence in
Canada apparently some 40 or less involve a firearm. And ever fewer domestic
violence incidents involving a firearm result in injury or
death...Dorthy Jourdrie shooting her husband in Calgary several years
ago brought those domestic violence gun status up as well. It is unknown
which spouse was using the gun in those 40 or fewer incidents per
year.
http://www.fact.on.ca/newpaper/np991122.htm |
Au contraire, we know answers to both questions:
http://dsp-psd.pwgsc.gc.ca/collectio...XIE2008000.pdf
See Table 1.10, page 24 of this report.
The 38,573 violent domestic incidents are the ones that caused serious harm and were reported to the police, so all 40 of those involved serious injury. The table also breaks the incidents down according to sex of the victim. Of those 40 incidents, 34 victims were women and 6 men. It doesn't give the sex of the attacker, however. Note the above report is from 2008 and the data from 2006, it is the most recent I have seen in regards to breaking down spousal violence incidents.
This report from 2006: http://dsp-psd.pwgsc.gc.ca/Collectio...XIE2006000.pdf
shows data from 1995-2004 in table 1.3, page 26. The total number of incidents was 211,791, with 358 involving firearms for a rate of 1.69 firearms incidents per 1000 total (0.169%).
One thing I find interesting is they break down the number of one time incidents and repeat incidents. 9 out of 358 firearms related incidents were considered "chronic". That is 2.5%. This completely belies the anti argument that guns are used all the time in domestic violence. Only 0.169% of all these incidents involved firearms and of that incredibly tiny number, only 2.5% were in the "chronic abuse" category. That means that firearms are used in chronic domestic abuse incidents only 0.004% of the time. That is 4 times out of 100,000 incidents. That doesn't really equate to "all the time" in my world.
Mark
http://dsp-psd.pwgsc.gc.ca/collectio...XIE2008000.pdf
See Table 1.10, page 24 of this report.
The 38,573 violent domestic incidents are the ones that caused serious harm and were reported to the police, so all 40 of those involved serious injury. The table also breaks the incidents down according to sex of the victim. Of those 40 incidents, 34 victims were women and 6 men. It doesn't give the sex of the attacker, however. Note the above report is from 2008 and the data from 2006, it is the most recent I have seen in regards to breaking down spousal violence incidents.
This report from 2006: http://dsp-psd.pwgsc.gc.ca/Collectio...XIE2006000.pdf
shows data from 1995-2004 in table 1.3, page 26. The total number of incidents was 211,791, with 358 involving firearms for a rate of 1.69 firearms incidents per 1000 total (0.169%).
One thing I find interesting is they break down the number of one time incidents and repeat incidents. 9 out of 358 firearms related incidents were considered "chronic". That is 2.5%. This completely belies the anti argument that guns are used all the time in domestic violence. Only 0.169% of all these incidents involved firearms and of that incredibly tiny number, only 2.5% were in the "chronic abuse" category. That means that firearms are used in chronic domestic abuse incidents only 0.004% of the time. That is 4 times out of 100,000 incidents. That doesn't really equate to "all the time" in my world.
Mark
Monday, October 3, 2011
480 BREACHES OF NATIONAL POLICE COMPUTER SYSTEM, RCMP REPORT
This related to the gun registry as the CPIC system looks at the registry to tell the viewer if the person has firearms registered to them. In other words the Registry is just a giant shopping list waiting for any organized criminal gang to pluck.
480 BREACHES OF NATIONAL POLICE COMPUTER SYSTEM, RCMP REPORT
“Police computer system is putting Canadian gun owners at risk.”
Since 1995, the RCMP reported that Canadian Police Computer Centre (CPIC) system has been breached a total of 480 times. In a recent response to an Access to Information Act request the RCMP confirmed 66 additional breaches of the police computer system (CPIC) over the last five years. “The privacy rights of all individuals are being violated by trusted police sources, but Canada’s law-abiding gun owners are at particular risk,” said National Firearms Association (NFA) President, Sheldon Clare.
This new information was obtained from the RCMP through an Access to Information Act (ATI) request submitted as a collaborative effort by two independent researchers, Gary A. Mauser, Professor Emeritus, Simon Fraser University and Dennis R. Young, retired Parliamentary Assistant to Garry Breitkreuz, MP. “It is unfortunate that RCMP does not regularly report these breaches of privacy to Parliament,” added Clare. The RCMP’s response to our ATI request is now available on the NFA website:
http://www.nfa.ca/sites/default/files/RCMP-ATI-CPIC-Breaches.pdf
Without any real evidence showing that law-abiding gun owners have ever been a threat to public safety, the former Liberal Government used closure to force an unfair law through Parliament (1995’s Bill C-68, the Firearms Act) making simple possession of a firearm a Criminal Code offence thereby requiring every gun owner in Canada to obtain a firearms license under threat of serious jail time. Two million gun owners complied and now all their private and personal information including their addresses, the number and types of guns they own are on the RCMP’s leaky computer system. “How many times have criminals used untrustworthy police sources to pinpoint the location and type of gun they want to steal?” asked the NFA President.
“The old Firearms Acquisition Certificate (FAC) program was more effective at screening new firearm owners than the current licensing scheme that costs taxpayers at least eight times more each year to operate. As an added benefit the FAC system didn’t put private and personal information on vulnerable computers to be hacked, or violated by criminals and police personnel we trust to protect us,” concluded Mr. Clare.
For more information contact:
Blair Hagen, Executive VP Communications, 604-753-8682 Blair@nfa.ca
Sheldon Clare, President, 250-981-1841 Sheldon_Clare@shaw.ca
Canada’s NFA toll-free number - 1-877-818-0393
NFA Website: www.nfa.ca
480 BREACHES OF NATIONAL POLICE COMPUTER SYSTEM, RCMP REPORT
“Police computer system is putting Canadian gun owners at risk.”
Since 1995, the RCMP reported that Canadian Police Computer Centre (CPIC) system has been breached a total of 480 times. In a recent response to an Access to Information Act request the RCMP confirmed 66 additional breaches of the police computer system (CPIC) over the last five years. “The privacy rights of all individuals are being violated by trusted police sources, but Canada’s law-abiding gun owners are at particular risk,” said National Firearms Association (NFA) President, Sheldon Clare.
This new information was obtained from the RCMP through an Access to Information Act (ATI) request submitted as a collaborative effort by two independent researchers, Gary A. Mauser, Professor Emeritus, Simon Fraser University and Dennis R. Young, retired Parliamentary Assistant to Garry Breitkreuz, MP. “It is unfortunate that RCMP does not regularly report these breaches of privacy to Parliament,” added Clare. The RCMP’s response to our ATI request is now available on the NFA website:
http://www.nfa.ca/sites/default/files/RCMP-ATI-CPIC-Breaches.pdf
Without any real evidence showing that law-abiding gun owners have ever been a threat to public safety, the former Liberal Government used closure to force an unfair law through Parliament (1995’s Bill C-68, the Firearms Act) making simple possession of a firearm a Criminal Code offence thereby requiring every gun owner in Canada to obtain a firearms license under threat of serious jail time. Two million gun owners complied and now all their private and personal information including their addresses, the number and types of guns they own are on the RCMP’s leaky computer system. “How many times have criminals used untrustworthy police sources to pinpoint the location and type of gun they want to steal?” asked the NFA President.
“The old Firearms Acquisition Certificate (FAC) program was more effective at screening new firearm owners than the current licensing scheme that costs taxpayers at least eight times more each year to operate. As an added benefit the FAC system didn’t put private and personal information on vulnerable computers to be hacked, or violated by criminals and police personnel we trust to protect us,” concluded Mr. Clare.
For more information contact:
Blair Hagen, Executive VP Communications, 604-753-8682 Blair@nfa.ca
Sheldon Clare, President, 250-981-1841 Sheldon_Clare@shaw.ca
Canada’s NFA toll-free number - 1-877-818-0393
NFA Website: www.nfa.ca
Wednesday, August 17, 2011
yet another registry failure....
An exceptional good piece by R. G. Harvie at the "Searching for Liberty Blog" regarding the recent murder of Jonathon Bacon and the pointlessness of laws that we have such as the gun registry.
In the middle of the summer holiday in Tourist Mecca Kelowna, B.C., at the Delta Grand Hotel, armed men in hoods jump out of an S.U.V. and start spraying bullets out of assault weapons at what appears to be rival gang members, reportedly killing one of them.
I was in Kelowna last summer.
Stayed at the Delta Grand, in fact. Very, very busy place.
So - it was with some sadness and shock that I read this morning that less than a year after my last visit, there are armed gang members shooting assault weapons at other gang members in the middle of the resort.
Just a few thoughts today:
a) How did this happen in the face of the National Gun Registry?
Doesn't the registry prevent people from shooting guns at other people? That's what Michael Ignatieff said as he paraded the shooting victims of KimV** Gill before the press (ignoring the fact that KimV**'s weapon was actually registered when he started shooting up Dawson College).
I'm assuming that these gangsters, when they stepped out of their SUV to commit murder were aware that we have a national gun registry. I'm assuming they realized, as they squeezed the trigger to shoot another human being, that there are strict penalties for possessing an unregistered firearm.
Definitely read the rest here
In the middle of the summer holiday in Tourist Mecca Kelowna, B.C., at the Delta Grand Hotel, armed men in hoods jump out of an S.U.V. and start spraying bullets out of assault weapons at what appears to be rival gang members, reportedly killing one of them.
I was in Kelowna last summer.
Stayed at the Delta Grand, in fact. Very, very busy place.
So - it was with some sadness and shock that I read this morning that less than a year after my last visit, there are armed gang members shooting assault weapons at other gang members in the middle of the resort.
Just a few thoughts today:
a) How did this happen in the face of the National Gun Registry?
Doesn't the registry prevent people from shooting guns at other people? That's what Michael Ignatieff said as he paraded the shooting victims of KimV** Gill before the press (ignoring the fact that KimV**'s weapon was actually registered when he started shooting up Dawson College).
I'm assuming that these gangsters, when they stepped out of their SUV to commit murder were aware that we have a national gun registry. I'm assuming they realized, as they squeezed the trigger to shoot another human being, that there are strict penalties for possessing an unregistered firearm.
Definitely read the rest here
Monday, June 6, 2011
The CACP is not balanced (Open letter to Vic Toews)
Mr. Toews,
The Canadian Association Of Chiefs Of Police president, Chief William Blair, has sought an invitation from you to participate in the Firearms Advisory Committee, claiming that his organization “would provide you with timely and balanced advice on firearms issues from the leading law enforcement organization in Canada.”
I should remind you that the CACP has been anything but balanced. While the CACP was praising Tasers to offset the negative press generated by their use, Taser International was making huge donations to the CACP’s lavish annual conferences along with CGI Group, the software company responsible for the gun registry’s computerized system.
More to the point, many among these Chiefs have publicly expressed their desire to ban guns and they have also consistently distorted the truth on this issue. At the height of the registry debate, a bogus study was released at a 1997 Chiefs of Police conference in Fredericton overstating the number of long guns “involved” in crime by a factor of 9 - including gun collections found during investigations where charges were never laid (i.e. a domestic complaint against a gun collector) or near but not involved with a crime or suicide.
The CACP claimed that 52% of firearms “found at crime scenes” or “in more than half of the criminal incidents” were rifles and shotguns. They continued to repeat this in press releases even after the RCMP objected to this interpretation of RCMP data, which actually showed that a majority of the long guns “involved” in those incidents were unrelated gun collections recovered during investigations that did not involve guns at all.
As late as January of 2004, CACP vice-president, Ottawa Police Chief Vince Bevan claimed that “these guns are commonly used in crimes” and “place police officers and citizens in danger every day”. CACP members Ottawa police Chief Brian Ford and Winnipeg’s Chief David Cassels (both known supporters of Canada’s anti-gun lobby) have gone so far as to say that the firearms were “used” in those incidents.
At a time when Toronto bureaucrats and their Liberal pals in Ottawa were pushing for a ban on handguns, Blair himself was instrumental in making sport shooters and collectors a pariah in Toronto and we saw some shaky statistics come from his office making it appear as though a majority of handguns used by Toronto thugs were taken from legal owners. To further drive home this message, Blair cooked up a plan called “Project Safe City”.
Did this plan target known thugs and convicted criminals? No, they looked up everyone who had expired licenses and searched their homes - eventually finding one miscreant engaged in illegal activities.
The CACP is not a balanced organization that would provide good advice on firearms issues. They are little more than a government funded lobby group that is more focused on political agendas than they are on public safety.
Barry Glasgow
Woodlawn, Ontario
printed from http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/37264
The Canadian Association Of Chiefs Of Police president, Chief William Blair, has sought an invitation from you to participate in the Firearms Advisory Committee, claiming that his organization “would provide you with timely and balanced advice on firearms issues from the leading law enforcement organization in Canada.”
I should remind you that the CACP has been anything but balanced. While the CACP was praising Tasers to offset the negative press generated by their use, Taser International was making huge donations to the CACP’s lavish annual conferences along with CGI Group, the software company responsible for the gun registry’s computerized system.
More to the point, many among these Chiefs have publicly expressed their desire to ban guns and they have also consistently distorted the truth on this issue. At the height of the registry debate, a bogus study was released at a 1997 Chiefs of Police conference in Fredericton overstating the number of long guns “involved” in crime by a factor of 9 - including gun collections found during investigations where charges were never laid (i.e. a domestic complaint against a gun collector) or near but not involved with a crime or suicide.
The CACP claimed that 52% of firearms “found at crime scenes” or “in more than half of the criminal incidents” were rifles and shotguns. They continued to repeat this in press releases even after the RCMP objected to this interpretation of RCMP data, which actually showed that a majority of the long guns “involved” in those incidents were unrelated gun collections recovered during investigations that did not involve guns at all.
As late as January of 2004, CACP vice-president, Ottawa Police Chief Vince Bevan claimed that “these guns are commonly used in crimes” and “place police officers and citizens in danger every day”. CACP members Ottawa police Chief Brian Ford and Winnipeg’s Chief David Cassels (both known supporters of Canada’s anti-gun lobby) have gone so far as to say that the firearms were “used” in those incidents.
At a time when Toronto bureaucrats and their Liberal pals in Ottawa were pushing for a ban on handguns, Blair himself was instrumental in making sport shooters and collectors a pariah in Toronto and we saw some shaky statistics come from his office making it appear as though a majority of handguns used by Toronto thugs were taken from legal owners. To further drive home this message, Blair cooked up a plan called “Project Safe City”.
Did this plan target known thugs and convicted criminals? No, they looked up everyone who had expired licenses and searched their homes - eventually finding one miscreant engaged in illegal activities.
The CACP is not a balanced organization that would provide good advice on firearms issues. They are little more than a government funded lobby group that is more focused on political agendas than they are on public safety.
Barry Glasgow
Woodlawn, Ontario
printed from http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/37264
Friday, June 3, 2011
South African gun licensing system on "verge of collapse"..
Hmmmm....Didn't Wendy have something to do with helping to set up South Africa's registration system?.....ARTICLE
De Wet Potgieter
The backlog in gun licence renewals is so severe that the entire application processing system is on the verge of “collapsing”, an investigation by The New Age has revealed.
Sources in the South African Police’s Central Firearms Registry (CFR), speaking on condition of anonymity, said that officials were battling to clear the backlog but new applications were coming in everyday.
With 200000 applications already received, and only 1000 being processed each working day, exhausted officers at the Saps’ Criminal Record Centre (CRC) in Pretoria say they are barely making a dent on the ever-growing backlog.
Last year, Safety and Security Minister Nathi Mthethwa, said in a response to a question posed in Parliament that there had been 1365203 applications for the renewal of firearm licences in terms of the new Firearms Control Act (Firearms Act) since it came into effect. Of these applications, 499043 had been approved, 15766 denied and 2009 are on appeal. This meant that almost 850000 were still to be processed.
Besides dealing with applications sent to them for checking by the CFR, the centre is also responsible for checking criminal records for courts countrywide. The CFR also handles all applications for police clearances needed by people for a variety of purposes, including liquor licences and work permit applications.
“The police already owe us 96 hours overtime,” a senior civilian official at the centre said. “But there is no light in the tunnel. The problem lies with management at the CFR, they do not know what is going on.”
In Gauteng alone, the CRC needs to process at least 6000 renewal applications for firearm licences if they hope to make headway in clearing the backlog, another source at the centre said.
“The police simply do not have the capacity to cope,” said a member of the gun lobby group, which has been engaging with government on the licencing debacle.
“The mess at the CRC has been common knowledge for quite some time and even though they claim that the process has speeded up, this is clearly not happening. The people at CFR responsible for the evaluation of applications are not up to standard for this kind of job.”
And, as the backlog grows, more and more irate gun shop owners, security companies and individual firearm owners are turning to the courts, leaving government to defend damages claims running into millions of rand.
Pretoria attorney Jaco Kruger has sold off his general law practice to focus exclusively on lawsuits brought against police because of the shambles in the firearms industry.
“I am handling an average of 30 new such cases every month,” said Kruger, who has already handled more than 200 cases against the police.
Kruger said his court applications cost the government an average of R20000 each to defend – and he has already taken 45 such cases to the courts, with all the rulings being in favour of his clients.
The Black Gun Owners Association also resorted to the courts last year following claims by its chairman, Abios Khoele, that the Firearms Control Act placed black South Africans at a huge physical, educational and economical disadvantage, especially those most likely to suffer from violent crime, as well as the poor and the aged.
Between 2004, when the firearms licencing laws were changed, and 2010, 900 gun shops have closed down and 10000 people have lost jobs, Khoele told a press briefing last year.
His association represents 700000 people – of all races.
De Wet Potgieter
The backlog in gun licence renewals is so severe that the entire application processing system is on the verge of “collapsing”, an investigation by The New Age has revealed.
Sources in the South African Police’s Central Firearms Registry (CFR), speaking on condition of anonymity, said that officials were battling to clear the backlog but new applications were coming in everyday.
With 200000 applications already received, and only 1000 being processed each working day, exhausted officers at the Saps’ Criminal Record Centre (CRC) in Pretoria say they are barely making a dent on the ever-growing backlog.
Last year, Safety and Security Minister Nathi Mthethwa, said in a response to a question posed in Parliament that there had been 1365203 applications for the renewal of firearm licences in terms of the new Firearms Control Act (Firearms Act) since it came into effect. Of these applications, 499043 had been approved, 15766 denied and 2009 are on appeal. This meant that almost 850000 were still to be processed.
Besides dealing with applications sent to them for checking by the CFR, the centre is also responsible for checking criminal records for courts countrywide. The CFR also handles all applications for police clearances needed by people for a variety of purposes, including liquor licences and work permit applications.
“The police already owe us 96 hours overtime,” a senior civilian official at the centre said. “But there is no light in the tunnel. The problem lies with management at the CFR, they do not know what is going on.”
In Gauteng alone, the CRC needs to process at least 6000 renewal applications for firearm licences if they hope to make headway in clearing the backlog, another source at the centre said.
“The police simply do not have the capacity to cope,” said a member of the gun lobby group, which has been engaging with government on the licencing debacle.
“The mess at the CRC has been common knowledge for quite some time and even though they claim that the process has speeded up, this is clearly not happening. The people at CFR responsible for the evaluation of applications are not up to standard for this kind of job.”
And, as the backlog grows, more and more irate gun shop owners, security companies and individual firearm owners are turning to the courts, leaving government to defend damages claims running into millions of rand.
Pretoria attorney Jaco Kruger has sold off his general law practice to focus exclusively on lawsuits brought against police because of the shambles in the firearms industry.
“I am handling an average of 30 new such cases every month,” said Kruger, who has already handled more than 200 cases against the police.
Kruger said his court applications cost the government an average of R20000 each to defend – and he has already taken 45 such cases to the courts, with all the rulings being in favour of his clients.
The Black Gun Owners Association also resorted to the courts last year following claims by its chairman, Abios Khoele, that the Firearms Control Act placed black South Africans at a huge physical, educational and economical disadvantage, especially those most likely to suffer from violent crime, as well as the poor and the aged.
Between 2004, when the firearms licencing laws were changed, and 2010, 900 gun shops have closed down and 10000 people have lost jobs, Khoele told a press briefing last year.
His association represents 700000 people – of all races.
Tuesday, May 17, 2011
Mountie loses cash, drugs, has illegal gun
Mountie loses cash, drugs, has illegal gun
Docked 5 days pay for neglect of duty, discreditable conduct
By Gary Dimmock, Ottawa Citizen May 17, 2011
Const. Matt Wright's police work was anything but textbook the day he made an arrest in a street-level drugs and money bust.
The RCMP constable, a former military man, never fully documented the bag of pills and wad of cash he seized.
Then two months later, after working late at the Chilliwack, B.C. detachment, Wright, left with a box containing files, his notebooks, RCMP identification card, and the seized money and drugs.
He loaded the box into his personal vehicle and later that same night reported it had been stolen from his car. Everything was recovered, except the drugs and money. It is impossible to know what kind or the exact amount of drugs because they were never fully documented, nor was the cash. Wright says it was a bag of about 50 blue pills and a "thin wad" of cash, that contained at least one $20 note on the outside.
In an internal disciplinary ruling in Ottawa dated March 28, Wright, who admitted the allegations, was docked two days pay for neglect of duty.
"The lapse of judgment in the proper care, control and storage of an exhibit may be out of character; however, members must be vigilant in properly processing exhibits. The public and the courts expect nothing less than perfection," the disciplinary board ruled.
It wasn't the only problem the board had with Wright. In July 2007, months after he reported the missing drugs and money, the Mounties discovered he had purchased a rifle but didn't have a firearms certificate. Wright had purchased a 1973 Winchester RCMP Centennial rifle from a retired member in 2005. At the time, he asked a colleague to register it while he tried to get a firearms certificate.
Two years later, his supervisor learned Wright had a rifle in his possession that was not registered to him. And Wright still didn't have a firearms certificate.
His supervisor seized the gun and Wright was charged with disgraceful conduct under the RCMP Act. The constable was docked an additional three days pay for having a firearm without a licence. The disciplinary board stated: "We commit to uphold the law and by acquiring a firearm without the proper licensing, Constable Wright is breaking the very law he swore to enforce." Wright apologized to the disciplinary board and has shown remorse and regret for embarrassing the national police force. He also assured senior Mounties that he now processes crime exhibits "meticulously."
gdimmock@ottawacitizen.com
Read more: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Mountie+loses+cash+drugs+illegal/4794073/story.html#ixzz1Mc2bR6hd
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What this article tells us is that away for the media spotlight, the police think the registry is a waste of time also.
Docked 5 days pay for neglect of duty, discreditable conduct
By Gary Dimmock, Ottawa Citizen May 17, 2011
Const. Matt Wright's police work was anything but textbook the day he made an arrest in a street-level drugs and money bust.
The RCMP constable, a former military man, never fully documented the bag of pills and wad of cash he seized.
Then two months later, after working late at the Chilliwack, B.C. detachment, Wright, left with a box containing files, his notebooks, RCMP identification card, and the seized money and drugs.
He loaded the box into his personal vehicle and later that same night reported it had been stolen from his car. Everything was recovered, except the drugs and money. It is impossible to know what kind or the exact amount of drugs because they were never fully documented, nor was the cash. Wright says it was a bag of about 50 blue pills and a "thin wad" of cash, that contained at least one $20 note on the outside.
In an internal disciplinary ruling in Ottawa dated March 28, Wright, who admitted the allegations, was docked two days pay for neglect of duty.
"The lapse of judgment in the proper care, control and storage of an exhibit may be out of character; however, members must be vigilant in properly processing exhibits. The public and the courts expect nothing less than perfection," the disciplinary board ruled.
It wasn't the only problem the board had with Wright. In July 2007, months after he reported the missing drugs and money, the Mounties discovered he had purchased a rifle but didn't have a firearms certificate. Wright had purchased a 1973 Winchester RCMP Centennial rifle from a retired member in 2005. At the time, he asked a colleague to register it while he tried to get a firearms certificate.
Two years later, his supervisor learned Wright had a rifle in his possession that was not registered to him. And Wright still didn't have a firearms certificate.
His supervisor seized the gun and Wright was charged with disgraceful conduct under the RCMP Act. The constable was docked an additional three days pay for having a firearm without a licence. The disciplinary board stated: "We commit to uphold the law and by acquiring a firearm without the proper licensing, Constable Wright is breaking the very law he swore to enforce." Wright apologized to the disciplinary board and has shown remorse and regret for embarrassing the national police force. He also assured senior Mounties that he now processes crime exhibits "meticulously."
gdimmock@ottawacitizen.com
Read more: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Mountie+loses+cash+drugs+illegal/4794073/story.html#ixzz1Mc2bR6hd
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What this article tells us is that away for the media spotlight, the police think the registry is a waste of time also.
Saturday, February 26, 2011
CFC goofs on classification of re-registered firearm
I put a Krinker Plinker kit on my 10/22 which makes it a restricted firearm due to the total over all length when the stock is folded. So I brought it to a reputable verifier who gave me a copy of all the paperwork and details (confirming that it is indeed restricted now). But when I got my new registration certificate in the mail from the CFC, it still says non-restricted.
Glad the CFC is on the ball... nothing gets by them!
Glad the CFC is on the ball... nothing gets by them!
Friday, February 18, 2011
89 year old harassed by the Registry
Just venting here... But, I need to get this off my chest...
The background on this story... A little more than 2 years ago I helped a family friend sell off his firearms. I distinctly remember placing the adds here on CGN, receiving the offers from the potential new owners, running those offers by our family friend & helping him transfer EACH one to their new owners... I then helped him box them up & ship them to their new homes...
Tonight I get a phone call from him & he's worried about a letter the CFC just sent him... To paraphrase, it says because his firearm license has expired, he can no longer be in possession of the Nylon 66 that is STILL registered in his name!!! And it gives him several options to come into compliance... bla bla bla
What a complete CROCK! That gun was transferred to A NEW OWNER over 2 years ago!!!
Lucky for him, he says he kept the paperwork! Now I have to go over there & see just what paperwork he kept... Keep in mind that this gentleman is quite advanced in age & I'm unsure about exactly what paperwork he might have...
2 BILLION DOLLARS FOLKS!!! And not a single good thing has come out of this registry other than to hassel the law abiding segment of society!!!
The background on this story... A little more than 2 years ago I helped a family friend sell off his firearms. I distinctly remember placing the adds here on CGN, receiving the offers from the potential new owners, running those offers by our family friend & helping him transfer EACH one to their new owners... I then helped him box them up & ship them to their new homes...
Tonight I get a phone call from him & he's worried about a letter the CFC just sent him... To paraphrase, it says because his firearm license has expired, he can no longer be in possession of the Nylon 66 that is STILL registered in his name!!! And it gives him several options to come into compliance... bla bla bla
What a complete CROCK! That gun was transferred to A NEW OWNER over 2 years ago!!!
Lucky for him, he says he kept the paperwork! Now I have to go over there & see just what paperwork he kept... Keep in mind that this gentleman is quite advanced in age & I'm unsure about exactly what paperwork he might have...
2 BILLION DOLLARS FOLKS!!! And not a single good thing has come out of this registry other than to hassel the law abiding segment of society!!!
Wednesday, January 19, 2011
Mountie-killer's guns not registered, inquiry hears
Gee like who would have thunk, crimmanls ignoring laws......
Last Updated: January 18, 2011 4:48pm
EDMONTON — Notorious cop killer James Roszko was prohibited from owning guns when he fatally shot four Mounties, a fatality inquiry heard Tuesday.
And of the eight guns Roszko acquired, none were owned legally, the inquiry also heard.
"I think it's fair to say James Roszko had a wanton disregard for any (firearm) legislation," said RCMP Sgt. Dale Baumgartner, a gun-tracing expert.
Roszko had been under a court-ordered weapons prohibition when he fatally shot four Mounties on his Mayerthorpe property March 3, 2005.
Of the eight guns found on Roszko's property following the murders, three turned out to be stolen, while a fourth was smuggled into the country from the U.S.
Two others were either restricted or prohibited. None of the guns were registered.
article
Last Updated: January 18, 2011 4:48pm
EDMONTON — Notorious cop killer James Roszko was prohibited from owning guns when he fatally shot four Mounties, a fatality inquiry heard Tuesday.
And of the eight guns Roszko acquired, none were owned legally, the inquiry also heard.
"I think it's fair to say James Roszko had a wanton disregard for any (firearm) legislation," said RCMP Sgt. Dale Baumgartner, a gun-tracing expert.
Roszko had been under a court-ordered weapons prohibition when he fatally shot four Mounties on his Mayerthorpe property March 3, 2005.
Of the eight guns found on Roszko's property following the murders, three turned out to be stolen, while a fourth was smuggled into the country from the U.S.
Two others were either restricted or prohibited. None of the guns were registered.
article
Tuesday, January 18, 2011
Confiscation has always been a Liberal goal
Update
The NRA advises they have been aware of this document for a long time, they have never been able to verify it completely so they have not used it. So you can’t really include it yet with other Liberal underhanded undertakings like, Adscam, Gun registry costs, etc, etc. nevertheless I hold that the main thrust of the document is true and fits the activities of the Liberal connected politicians, police forces and the Canadian Firearms Officers.
The more I know the more I despise the Liberal party. As an institution it needs to destroyed and the ground it was on needs to plowed and salted so it never springs forth again. Perhaps then a party might then form that has elements of honour and truth as it key virtues.
This document makes it clear why the registry is so important to them. Without it two things will happen, or more to the point two things won’t happen. First the world will not end, murders will not skyrocket, police and law abiding citizens will go about their daily lives just as before. At some point people will realize they have been fed lies about the value of the registry and they will be anger at it’s supporters and authors. What little trust they have for them will be wiped out and desire to believe their gun control claims will be nil.
2nd and more important, is that the goal of disarming Canadians will be set back generations, because fundamental that is the one and only purpose of the registry. Look at every instances of the setup of a firearm registry and you will see that it has been used for confiscation purposes or attempts have been made to do so.
Read this document, give it to all of your firearm owning friends, post it at gun ranges, make it clear to everyone who thinks this does not effect them, that it does. Yes you the duck hunter, target shooter are in their sights and have always been.
The Liberals have claimed confiscation of firearms was never their goal, but this document released in a Freedom of Information request shows that it was exactly their intent Read the rest of this disgusting piece at the Don't tread on me blog.
The NRA advises they have been aware of this document for a long time, they have never been able to verify it completely so they have not used it. So you can’t really include it yet with other Liberal underhanded undertakings like, Adscam, Gun registry costs, etc, etc. nevertheless I hold that the main thrust of the document is true and fits the activities of the Liberal connected politicians, police forces and the Canadian Firearms Officers.
The more I know the more I despise the Liberal party. As an institution it needs to destroyed and the ground it was on needs to plowed and salted so it never springs forth again. Perhaps then a party might then form that has elements of honour and truth as it key virtues.
This document makes it clear why the registry is so important to them. Without it two things will happen, or more to the point two things won’t happen. First the world will not end, murders will not skyrocket, police and law abiding citizens will go about their daily lives just as before. At some point people will realize they have been fed lies about the value of the registry and they will be anger at it’s supporters and authors. What little trust they have for them will be wiped out and desire to believe their gun control claims will be nil.
2nd and more important, is that the goal of disarming Canadians will be set back generations, because fundamental that is the one and only purpose of the registry. Look at every instances of the setup of a firearm registry and you will see that it has been used for confiscation purposes or attempts have been made to do so.
Read this document, give it to all of your firearm owning friends, post it at gun ranges, make it clear to everyone who thinks this does not effect them, that it does. Yes you the duck hunter, target shooter are in their sights and have always been.
The Liberals have claimed confiscation of firearms was never their goal, but this document released in a Freedom of Information request shows that it was exactly their intent Read the rest of this disgusting piece at the Don't tread on me blog.
Sunday, January 16, 2011
Recovered stolen guns
A very good friend of mine who was in the process of tranfering a shotgun to me, an over and under Marlin model 90, in 16 ga, was informed by the registrar person that it had been reported as a stolen gun several years before, registered in his name some 6 years,at that time? he was paid a visit by the police, who took the firearm away, he purchased it originally from a dealer,depite many inquiries over the years, he has never been contacted again, or found out what the final disposition of the matter was??
And the beat go's on! regards Bully
From a CGN thread on the previous post
And the beat go's on! regards Bully
From a CGN thread on the previous post
If a stolen gun fell in the forest, would the gun registry hear?
MONTREAL—Vito Anobile snips the gray hairs of a long-time client and shakes his head. “It’s crazy,” the affable east-end Montreal barber says, scissors and comb balancing in each of his thrown-up hands. “Really crazy.”
What has Anobile, an avid hunter, both frustrated and mystified are the recent actions of Canada’s controversial gun registry.
The $70 million firearms program, (cough* 2 billion, cough*) including the gun registry, is supposed to protect the public by preventing the misuse of guns and controlling just who can get them and own them.
But the 68-year-old Anobile has a story that seems to call all of that into question.
His frustration has been building ever since last summer when the registry sent him a notice that someone was trying to register a shotgun. Anobile’s shotgun.
The only problem? It had been stolen 11 years before.
To make matters worse, despite Anobile’s repeated attempts to tell the registry the gun was stolen property, no one seemed to listen or understand.
The agency, for which the RCMP has responsibility, even assumed he had applied to transfer the weapon to the new owner.
“How could I transfer a stolen gun I don’t have, to someone I don’t know?” Anobile asks.
And for that matter, “How can a gun be registered 11 years after it was stolen?”
As all this was happening, the Conservative government, no fan of the long-gun registry, was making its most serious attempt yet to shut it down. Among the reasons? The government said it was simply ineffective.
And as hints of an election campaign grow, the registry is sure to be a major issue. After losing a razor-thin vote on the matter last September, the Conservatives are still vowing to scrap it.
“This is just one of many examples of how inaccurate and ineffective the long-gun registry continues to be,” said Candice Hoeppner, the Manitoba Tory MP whose anti-registry bill died in that vote, in an email to the Star.
Meanwhile, the RCMP released an evaluation last fall strongly supporting the registry. It said the registry protects officers by signalling the presence of guns in a dwelling, for instance. And it aids in many types of investigations. Police now heavily consult the registry.
Doctors and police chiefs point out that long-gun homicides are decreasing in Canada. (Handgun homicides, however, are on the rise.)
The story of Anobile’s gun begins on a frigid Sunday in November 1999. He returns from a hunting trip, leaving all his hunting gear, including his shotgun, a Beretta A-M-301 12-gauge, in his car. It’s a decision he’ll come to regret.
The next day, he visits his ailing 98-year-old father in Montreal’s Santa Cabrini hospital. When he returns to the parking lot, however, his Chevy Lumina is gone.
He reports the theft to the police. Three or four days later, he remembers, the police call to say the Lumina had been recovered. It had been used, they say, in a robbery at an east-end brasserie, and abandoned.
There’s no sign of the gun.
Eventually, Anobile’s insurance company replaces the gun with a new Beretta. And he hears nothing more on the subject.
Until last June.
The old gun resurfaces in a letter from the Canadian Firearms Registry, saying it had received a registration demand for the A-M-301. There’s no mention it had been stolen.
Anobile calls the registry. “They ask me if I sold the gun. I tell them, ‘No! It was stolen!’ ” They promise to open a file and investigate.
Then, in July, another letter. The exact same letter as in June. As if the previous communication never happened.
“I laughed because it was like they’re imbeciles,” Anobile says.
Then, in August, another letter. This time more specific, saying it has processed his application to transfer the gun to the new owner, who, an employee tells Anobile, lives in Brossard, a Montreal suburb.
Only he made no such application. “How could I have?” Anobile says. “It’s impossible.”
Reached by phone, an agent from the registry told the Star he had no idea where the gun has been all these years, or how it got in the hands of the new owner.
He also said that the police have decided to “overlook” the fact that it was stolen because the new owner appeared to have acquired it “in good faith.”
(So can I re-register a stolen car?)
An RCMP spokesperson said this type of situation “is quite common.”
“People who have their firearm stolen, and are compensated for the firearm through insurance, lose legal ownership of the firearm at that moment,” Sgt. Greg Cox wrote in an email.
“If the firearm is recovered, oftentimes the insurance company may take possession of the firearm and put it up for sale on consignment with a firearms dealer.”
So why the notices to Anobile? Why the assumption he had applied to transfer the firearm? And why didn’t the registry seem to know it was stolen?
We don’t know, because the RCMP refused to discuss Anobile’s case, for privacy reasons.
When it comes to stolen weapons, the RCMP argues the registry can help police find a stolen firearm’s rightful owner if it’s recovered.
For Anobile, it’s all very unnerving. “Did it kill 50 people in the last decade that we don’t know?”
“Something’s not working right,” he reasons. “For me (the registry) has been useless. It is there to create jobs, nothing more.”
“We are obliged to follow the law, but it’s not worth very much.”
The gun registry has been plagued by controversy ever since it was made into law by the government of then-Prime Minister Jean Chrétien in 1995.
There was severe criticism over cost overruns in the early years. And Canada’s auditor general in 2006 questioned how the registry is actually improving public safety.
The registry is only a small part of the firearms program, making up 1.6 to 4.8 per cent of overall costs, or about $2.5 million, according to a 2009 analysis for the RCMP. Don't bet on these figures, previous documents place it at around 79 million a year.
courtsey of the Toronto Star
What has Anobile, an avid hunter, both frustrated and mystified are the recent actions of Canada’s controversial gun registry.
The $70 million firearms program, (cough* 2 billion, cough*) including the gun registry, is supposed to protect the public by preventing the misuse of guns and controlling just who can get them and own them.
But the 68-year-old Anobile has a story that seems to call all of that into question.
His frustration has been building ever since last summer when the registry sent him a notice that someone was trying to register a shotgun. Anobile’s shotgun.
The only problem? It had been stolen 11 years before.
To make matters worse, despite Anobile’s repeated attempts to tell the registry the gun was stolen property, no one seemed to listen or understand.
The agency, for which the RCMP has responsibility, even assumed he had applied to transfer the weapon to the new owner.
“How could I transfer a stolen gun I don’t have, to someone I don’t know?” Anobile asks.
And for that matter, “How can a gun be registered 11 years after it was stolen?”
As all this was happening, the Conservative government, no fan of the long-gun registry, was making its most serious attempt yet to shut it down. Among the reasons? The government said it was simply ineffective.
And as hints of an election campaign grow, the registry is sure to be a major issue. After losing a razor-thin vote on the matter last September, the Conservatives are still vowing to scrap it.
“This is just one of many examples of how inaccurate and ineffective the long-gun registry continues to be,” said Candice Hoeppner, the Manitoba Tory MP whose anti-registry bill died in that vote, in an email to the Star.
Meanwhile, the RCMP released an evaluation last fall strongly supporting the registry. It said the registry protects officers by signalling the presence of guns in a dwelling, for instance. And it aids in many types of investigations. Police now heavily consult the registry.
Doctors and police chiefs point out that long-gun homicides are decreasing in Canada. (Handgun homicides, however, are on the rise.)
The story of Anobile’s gun begins on a frigid Sunday in November 1999. He returns from a hunting trip, leaving all his hunting gear, including his shotgun, a Beretta A-M-301 12-gauge, in his car. It’s a decision he’ll come to regret.
The next day, he visits his ailing 98-year-old father in Montreal’s Santa Cabrini hospital. When he returns to the parking lot, however, his Chevy Lumina is gone.
He reports the theft to the police. Three or four days later, he remembers, the police call to say the Lumina had been recovered. It had been used, they say, in a robbery at an east-end brasserie, and abandoned.
There’s no sign of the gun.
Eventually, Anobile’s insurance company replaces the gun with a new Beretta. And he hears nothing more on the subject.
Until last June.
The old gun resurfaces in a letter from the Canadian Firearms Registry, saying it had received a registration demand for the A-M-301. There’s no mention it had been stolen.
Anobile calls the registry. “They ask me if I sold the gun. I tell them, ‘No! It was stolen!’ ” They promise to open a file and investigate.
Then, in July, another letter. The exact same letter as in June. As if the previous communication never happened.
“I laughed because it was like they’re imbeciles,” Anobile says.
Then, in August, another letter. This time more specific, saying it has processed his application to transfer the gun to the new owner, who, an employee tells Anobile, lives in Brossard, a Montreal suburb.
Only he made no such application. “How could I have?” Anobile says. “It’s impossible.”
Reached by phone, an agent from the registry told the Star he had no idea where the gun has been all these years, or how it got in the hands of the new owner.
He also said that the police have decided to “overlook” the fact that it was stolen because the new owner appeared to have acquired it “in good faith.”
(So can I re-register a stolen car?)
An RCMP spokesperson said this type of situation “is quite common.”
“People who have their firearm stolen, and are compensated for the firearm through insurance, lose legal ownership of the firearm at that moment,” Sgt. Greg Cox wrote in an email.
“If the firearm is recovered, oftentimes the insurance company may take possession of the firearm and put it up for sale on consignment with a firearms dealer.”
So why the notices to Anobile? Why the assumption he had applied to transfer the firearm? And why didn’t the registry seem to know it was stolen?
We don’t know, because the RCMP refused to discuss Anobile’s case, for privacy reasons.
When it comes to stolen weapons, the RCMP argues the registry can help police find a stolen firearm’s rightful owner if it’s recovered.
For Anobile, it’s all very unnerving. “Did it kill 50 people in the last decade that we don’t know?”
“Something’s not working right,” he reasons. “For me (the registry) has been useless. It is there to create jobs, nothing more.”
“We are obliged to follow the law, but it’s not worth very much.”
The gun registry has been plagued by controversy ever since it was made into law by the government of then-Prime Minister Jean Chrétien in 1995.
There was severe criticism over cost overruns in the early years. And Canada’s auditor general in 2006 questioned how the registry is actually improving public safety.
The registry is only a small part of the firearms program, making up 1.6 to 4.8 per cent of overall costs, or about $2.5 million, according to a 2009 analysis for the RCMP. Don't bet on these figures, previous documents place it at around 79 million a year.
courtsey of the Toronto Star
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